Both Jesus and Confucius, as two of history’s most famous teachers, have some interesting things in common.
Yeshua (Jesus), who eventually became known by his followers as The Lord, left no account of his life or his teachings in his own hand. His sayings, which he spoke in Aramaic, had to wait for many years after his death to be written down in Greek and Latin.
Hundreds of years later they were again translated into German by Martin Luther. Then in 1611, they were translated again into the old Shakespearean English of the King James version and its descendants (Protestant). And again into the Douay-Rheims version and its variations (Catholic). More recently, in the 20th century, there have been a wave of contemporary English translations like the New International Version (Evangelical).
What we are left with today are those sayings of Jesus that have been edited and translated over the millennia by his disciples and his disciples’ disciples so we can only make educated guesses about the accuracy of his original sayings.
It is interesting to note that many English-speaking people are not even aware that the original languages of the Bible are Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament).
A similar situation applies to Confucius who became known to his followers as The Master. Confucius is the romanised version of K’ung Fu-tzu which means Master Kung. Like Jesus, Confucius left no writings of his own and so we also have to rely on the accounts handed down by later generations of his disciples.
Books alleged to be written by him (Book of Odes, Book of Ritual, Spring and Autumn Annals) were actually only edited by him. Confucious wrote no works of his own. Even the Analects of Confucius was written by a disciple or disciples who wrote down a collection of The Master’s sayings which they began with the, now famous, phrase Confucius says ….
In addition to these similarities, there are also some interesting differences between these two great teachers. The Lord emphasised the Judaic tradition of The Father in Heaven as quoted in Jesus’ dying words: Father, into your hands I commend my spirit.
By contrast, The Master focused on man in today’s world. In particular, the relationship between man and other men. He placed no importance at all on the spirit world. He was concerned about the real world and the obligations inherent in ‘the five relationships’ between:
-Â father and son,
-Â husband and wife,
-Â older brother and younger brother,
-Â friend and friend, and
-Â ruler and subject.
Although power was hereditary in China, Confucious stressed that the ruler should lead from the front by setting a good example to his people. This has become known as The Golden Rule or the “Do to others as you wish done to you” philosophy.
The Master’s ideal was the chun-tzu or what Westerners would call ‘the gentleman’. The chun-tzu practised daily to attain excellence in the following noble memes:
– chih or integrity
– i or fairness
– chung or loyalty
– shu or co-operation
– ren or compassion.
If a ruler exemplified these virtues in all of his ‘five relationships’ then his rule would be a success and his people would be happy.
This is a very interesting political model and quite modern because the relationships are personal ones not organisational ones. Of course, it is retrospectively sexist and would apply to both (or all) sexes today. But the main point of the model is that behaviour is governed by a bottom-up approach rather than imposed by a top-down one.
At that time, young people were to become infected with these noble memes by imitation and the good example set by the ruler, the father, the older brother and the husband. These ideals were to become internalised, and if the individual practises these memes then this spreads out in a vast word-of-mouth network to infect the state as a whole.
It’s an organic model and seems to have been very successful. Throughout history foreign visitors to the vast Chinese state have noticed and commented on its familial organisation.
In China, before The Master, the state was ruled by force. Power was seized by warriors who struggled among themselves for supremacy. They ruled the other three classes – merchants, artisans and peasants – by force.
After Confucius there was a paradigm shift to ethical rule. The same three classes were now ruled by scholars and the Confucian ethic showed that indeed the pen can be mightier than the sword.
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DFQ #068:
Cut and paste the sentence that you will think more about later today?
Why did you choose this one?
“- chih or integrity
— i or fairness
— chung or loyalty
— shu or co-operation
— ren or compassion.
because I am teaching a Yoga class about Friendship at lunchtime and I like the idea of realting these concepts to the idea of friendship.
Do to others as you wish done to you. Nowadays, people try to cheat you in different situations. They do not think about the fact that they may be cheated in the same way. Afterwards, they complain of the fact… Treat others properly!
“If a ruler exemplified these virtues in all of his ‘five relationships’ then his rule would be a success and his people would be happy”.
I chose this particular sentence because I recognize in these “five relations” the key values that drive behavioral change in individuals and communities.
“If a ruler exemplified these virtues in all of his ‘five relationships’ then his rule would be a success and his people would be happy.”
I chose this sentence as it is important that you do not become complacent with regard to practice of the five virtues listed. Continually striving to develop these throughout life WILL lead to a happier and more content life personally and also help your family and co-workers to work towards reaching their own potential.
The chun-tzu practised daily to attain excellence in the following noble memes:
– chih or integrity
— i or fairness
— chung or loyalty
— shu or co-operation
— ren or compassion
How could I SDNT the 5 memes?
“If a ruler exemplified these virtues in all of his ‘five relationships’ then his rule would be a success and his people would be happy.”
– chih or integrity
— i or fairness
— chung or loyalty
— shu or co-operation
— ren or compassion.
The above exemplefies the beauty of being in complete harmony and balance with the world, to be an eagle among men, to be in the world, but not of the world.
Cut and paste the sentence that you will think more about later today?
He was concerned about the real world and the obligations inherent in ‘the five relationships’ between:
– father and son,
– husband and wife,
– older brother and younger brother,
– friend and friend, and
– ruler and subject.
Why did you choose this one?
I believe one should deal first with oneself and then with others. I do not buy the spiritual life. It is too vague and often relates to unproven or unverifiable matters
Power was seized by warriors who struggled among themselves for supremacy.
This is timeless to degree – there will always be scope to seize power or profit at the expensive of others.
Confucius stressed that the ruler should lead from the front by setting a good example to his people. This has become known as The Golden Rule or the “Do to others as you wish done to you” philosophy.
Which ever system the core seems to be the same – variations of the golden rule
“It is interesting to note that many English-speaking people are not even aware that the original languages of the Bible are Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament).”
I’ve always had difficulty understanding why people, particularly ‘followers of a religious faith’ can parrot what they perceive as the ‘truth’ from biblical scriptures as if it were the answers to a fulfilled and happy life.
Questioning authority has consistently made me more fulfilled because it opens more doors of inquiry which is mentality and psychologically stimulating.
What makes me happy is ‘searching for the truth’, not ‘knowing it.’